Shayan Doroudi

Assistant Professor @UCIEducation
Interested in [foundations/history/philosophy/equity] of ed tech, ed data science, and learning sciences

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@dubova_marina @cogsci_soc Congrats Marina!

[James Evans @profjamesevans]

The "does creativity decline with age?" debate has been muddled by a category error. There isn't one kind of creativity. There are two...and they move in opposite directions across a career.

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@yoavgo Here's one mathematician's perspective: https://t.co/yFwjPph6PN

[David Bessis @davidbessis]

Since I was asked for an explanation:
1. It's not particularly surprising or impressive.
2. It's ugly, building basic objects from a baroque one.
3. It's useless.
4. It's foundationally and algorithmically pointless, since you still need to define exp and log, which you can't do without all the basic objects underneath.

You can think of EML as a generator, but you still need the relations. As a 2-variable function, it is a syntactic building block for other stuff, but you still need to know which axioms it is subject to.

So, yes, on paper it could be used to prove certain things by induction, but good luck finding some interesting property that is easier to prove on EML than on a relatively simple list of basic objects.

And, no, it's not computationally useful, even less on silicon—good luck building a gate that implements that, and using it in a stable and packageable way.

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

Just a few days ago, I started going through “The Concept of Education in Islam” by al-Attas with great interest. His ideas have had profound influence on scholarship in Islamic education, though I question the extent to which they’ve been actualized in practice (so far).

[Yusuf / Cat Stevens @YusufCatStevens]

God bless the departed soul of Professor Naquib Al-Attas. We are deeply in loss for his passing. His contribution to the Islamization of knowledge was unparalleled. It was Prof. Naquib's inspiration which laid the ground upon which I established the Islamia school in 1983. Prof. Syed Muhammad Naquib al-Attas was deeply involved in the 1977 First World Conference on Muslim Education in Makkah, the papers of which became the foundation for our curriculum research. May he join the great company of the prophets and learned as one of the shining exponents of God's Holy Book.

#Peace

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@barbarikon @arab11__ At a zoomed out level, yes, but you lose a lot of the intricacies that make it what it truly is. Compare with e.g., this image. The attention to detail is an essential part of Islamic architecture and exactly what these AI images don't capture.

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@arab11__ Islamic architecture is unparalleled but if we can’t even tell it apart from AI, then do we really have an eye for its beauty?

@barbarikon

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@arab11__ It’s interesting that this post has 4000 likes and 500 reposts and people are discussing whether it’s Islamic or Persian, but nobody pointed out that it’s neither: it’s an AI rendition of Islamic architecture.

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@davidbessis and that "The “Theorem Prover” systems have not been oriented toward making it easy to employ the second and the third kinds of knowledge."

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@davidbessis Minsky and Papert (1971) said there are three kinds of knowledge in relation to proofs:
"The knowledge exhibited in the proof,
The knowledge used to find the proof, and
The knowledge required for “understanding” or explaining the proof so that one can put it to other uses"

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@langofmind @an_average_bear My university doesn't require in-class observations.

And I'm pretty sure there are many professors out there who are not great teachers who do not lose their jobs—at least in part because they are good researchers.

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@Replit @bjfr @shaanmasala

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@Replit The history of educational technology is filled with examples of charismatic/technocentric leaders trying and failing to enact large scale reform, including reforms in the Middle East. I hope your team is informed about the literature on this. Happy to chat if that's of interest.

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@mhdksafa 🇵🇸

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

I end by discussing a common inspiration in Papert and von Foerster's work: Warren McCulloch's notion of heterarchy. McCulloch described how a six-node neural network could give rise to a heterarchy of values. 4/4

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

It was an honor to be able to give a talk for this symposium on Justice-Oriented Visions of AI and Education at the Northwestern Symposium on Education, AI, and the Learning Sciences.
Talk linked here: https://t.co/9kTwAtcgge 1/4

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

I do so by turning to historical approaches to AI (broadly conceived), education, and social justice that are largely forgotten. Namely, I briefly touch upon the work of Seymour Papert, Heinz von Foerster, and (even more briefly) Ivan Illich. 3/4

[Yusuf Ahmad @shaanmasala]

where have you seen ai / tech used to support this kind of shift?

"The alternative to... schools is not the use of public resources for some new device which
"makes" people learn; rather it is the creation of a new... relationship between man and his environment."

[Shayan Doroudi @EdTechMuser]

@garystager I'm confused. The literature review you posted seems to support teaching keyboarding. The last sentence is "Developing an Information Age language arts curriculum with keyboarding as a fundamental skill should be a central focus of our long-range curriculum planning."